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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Mar 21, 2010 7:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Worst Dead Tune?

If you had to live the rest of your life without hearing any one GD tune, what would it be?

I was just sitting here thinking about how much I loathe "Looks Like Rain"

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Poster: songbird.85 Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

Pride of Cucamonga...I mean...really. Oh, and I'm really starting to hate Casey Jones. Not because it's a bad song per se, but because I've heard it so many times. It's my fiance's ringtone, and sometimes when it starts playing I want to throw it at the wall.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Mar 21, 2010 11:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

Tons Of Steel.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Mar 22, 2010 5:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: cacophony

i have only listened once to this trainwrecked cacophony and only as far as "out here in the fields" and i had to stop....id say the worst song they ever played is Baba O'Reilly.

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Poster: utopian Date: Mar 21, 2010 10:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

Baba oreily- I'll add that to my list too

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Poster: buscameby Date: Mar 22, 2010 1:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: cacophony

huh it was Vince's best tune-lol- what's that tell ya!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 22, 2010 8:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

sailor-saint (ugh)
tennessee jed (though i love the lyrics)
day job
LLR
casey jones
one more sat. nite
(most of the cover tunes)

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Mar 22, 2010 8:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

I listed France, but I think what you are getting at was songs they played ( and ones they OVERPLAYED ), not necessarily as a composition ( though it helps ).
LLRain, is OK for me in the beginning , not a fav by any means,but what I have little patience for is the later mega cheeae versions .
I just seems like he is forgotten what the words mean . It became like a bad Elvis imitator's parody version . It is almost like he is making fun of the song, his histrionics at the end, are so contrary to the spirit of the song itself, what ever one thinks of it .
Now there are some pretty famous songs that have this same problem: Born ini the USA, instead of the sad story of a Vietnam vet, is performed so pumped up, it sound like he is saying "KILL THE GOOKS!". It's My Party, ...Lesley Gore sounds like someone handed her a million bucks !...to hell with her cheating boyfriend !
If I am trying to squeeze a show on to 2 discs, and need something to cut, LLR is a 1st choice , and for later shows , Samba, and Long Way Home join that group of the "easy to edit " .
I am surprised at some folks choices ... "Wharf Rat", "Comes a Time" etc.
Maybe someone will list Dark Star, Scarlet-Fire,...
Different strokes I guess, but man !

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Mar 22, 2010 9:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

LLRain just bothers me the way he sounds all breathy like he's trying to force passion into it or something. "Elvis parody version" kinda sums it up too.

When I see Ripple on here I'll know somebody is either trolling or just hates music.

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Poster: cush212 Date: Mar 22, 2010 2:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

While I do agree with most of the above/below...

Though certainly not a contender for "worst ever"... Truckin sure got tiresome in the 80's, with repetition, butchered lyrics, etc. Got to the point I was ready to leave if they played it!

Never did though...

:)

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Poster: StevefromPA Date: Mar 22, 2010 11:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

Without a doubt, Picasso Moon (bigger than a drive-in movie, oooo-weee - WTF?) and Samba in the Rain a close second - nothing worse than hearing Jerry harmonize on "Let's get down and dirty..."

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 22, 2010 2:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

Hey, kudos for this question. I think you woke up just about everyone here and got 'em to the table.


Me? If it aint LLR, pick just about any Brent tune and you've got a strong contender.

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Mar 22, 2010 2:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

I really had no idea it would take off like this, i was just curious if I was the only one sick of LLR :)

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Poster: waynecs Date: Mar 23, 2010 8:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

A Brent tune - take yer pick.I can do w/o any and all.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Mar 21, 2010 11:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

And I Will Take You Home is pretty bad too. ;-)

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Poster: dirtybuck Date: Mar 22, 2010 5:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

Has Victim been mentioned ?
And I love what Garcia did in L.L Rain (82-85)
The middle solo and stomping on the octave pedal for the outro....Although I understand the dislike..

Wharf Rat?!? someone needs to dose that guy or something.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Mar 21, 2010 8:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

France ...

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Poster: gumby69 Date: Mar 22, 2010 1:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

I actually like the rhythm in that tune but I think it was a little too slickly produced to attempt live.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Mar 22, 2010 2:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

The lyrics are pretty much dum dum stuff . Not some of Hunter's best...
We get "France, dance, romance" ,rhymes . Surprised he didn't use "pants".. As I the " There's a place in France, where the ladies wear no pants " .
This song makes "Leave The Little Girl Alone" , seem like T.S. Elliot .
It is credited to "Hart, Hunter", Weir" ( move over Lennon-Mccartney...) which might explain the rhythm you mention .

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Mar 22, 2010 8:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

LOL . . . forgot about that one


Recorded on

* Shakedown Street

DeadBase code: none (never performed live)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 22, 2010 8:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

"DeadBase code: none (never performed live)"

Gee, I wonder why...

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Mar 22, 2010 6:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?


all of the Brent tunes are good for a bathroom break.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

LLRain is truly an abomination. Not worthy of the Grateful Dead. Schlock. Ick, turn it off, I might as well be listening to some Top 40 radio station.

Otherwise, for me, there are songs I'm somewhat indifferent to or not excited about, but none that I really feel are actually bad.

Funny how excited such a thread gets people.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 10:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

FYI, Ring-le-O, if it isn't already obvious, LLR has been raked over the coals here many a time and it never gets old...I do have to ask, if bearded Bob was singing it, would it help?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 22, 2010 10:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

Oh, I've already noticed that mere mention of that song generates 100 virulent replies in 15 minutes no matter how many times the topic is raised.

No, the beard wouldn't help :) Much as I love Bob, as soon as I hear the first notes of that song I am looking for the button to kill it. I don't think I've listened to that song all the way through even once. "Rain" is an anomaly. They were bound to screw up sometime, and that song is it.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 22, 2010 10:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

It was a no-brainer, everybody hates it.

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Poster: angular Date: Mar 23, 2010 3:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

I actually like LLR

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Mar 23, 2010 6:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

Just listening to 3/23/74 and a coupla guys are yelling "Let it Rain" after Scarlet . . . Probably our esteemed PM and his buddies.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 10:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

I guess SYWife should tally em up; looks like (har, har) LLR is the winner by a long shot!

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Mar 22, 2010 11:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

Heheh, i'm still pretty new here and i wasn't trying to rekindle any old topics...nice to know I'm not the only one though.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Mar 22, 2010 12:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

I think LLR is top choice because of it's longevity. I for instance hate Samba but never heard it so it simply does not come to mind, and the Brent tunes I just forget (what are the names of those songs again?). LLR however was played from '72 - '95 and seems like it was played at almost every show I was at from 79 - 89.

According to setlists.net we've got 413 performances of this masterpiece - the even pulled it out at the "dead" show I went to at Nassau last spring - this song haunts me (as, I imagine, it does many deadheads).

Lots of the other 'worst' contenders did not have the lifespan of LLR.

Now, what's up with that Dark Star tune?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 22, 2010 12:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

I guess *somebody* must like it - evidently, Bob likes it ...

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

Can John P Barlow and Bob ever live this down?

"Looks Like Rain"
Words by John Perry Barlow
Barlow has posted his lyrics
Copyright Ice Nine Publishing; used by permission.

I woke today...
And felt your side of bed
The covers were still warm where you'd been layin'.
You were gone...
My heart was filled with dread.
You might not be sleepin' here again

[Chorus:]
It's alright, 'cause I love you.
And that's not gonna change.
Run me round, make me hurt again and again.
But I'll still sing you love songs
Written in the letters of your name.
And brave the storm to come,
For it surely looks like rain.

Did you ever waken to the sound
Of street cats makin' love
And guess from their cries
You were listenin' to a fight?
Well, you know...
Hate's just the last thing they're thinkin' of.
They're only trying to make it through the night.

[Chorus:]

I only want to hold you.
I don't want to tie you down.
Or fence you in the lines
I might have drawn.
It's just that I've gotten used to
Havin' you around.
My landscape would be empty
If you were gone.

[Rain, rain, go away...]

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Poster: high flow Date: Mar 22, 2010 10:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

I have a buddy(honestly, it wasn't me.) who played LLR for a high school girlfriend. She dumped him and mentioned the sappy song in her parting shots..........poor kid, he was whipped. He thought LLR would make her heart go thump, but it scared her away.

Any love song that can chase off a high school girl is surely off the cheesy-charts.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 22, 2010 11:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

I shudder to think what some of my high school/college girlfriends could produce from some of my mixed-tape efforts....

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 11:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Was I the only one?

Ah, I never tried the "mix tape" thing; High Fidelity, eh? That's classy, BD, real class...I used charcoal and a stone tablet of course.

Hey--damn you! Bears were one long shot I was hoping for...

But, is no one going to admit giving lyrics to a girl?

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Mar 22, 2010 12:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Was I the only one?

I never did the poem / lyric thing ever, nor did I ever mix a tape for a girl.

I repelled girls the old fashioned way, by simply being myself.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 12:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Was I the only one?

Hmmm--among my friends, I'd say at least a handful did it...and, we did it to each other in long ltrs (ie, guy to guy), in a completely unromantic way; but it was really for the girls...we did write a great deal then when separated...used to do the trick of using the same stamp (don't tell the post office) if it wasn't "canceled" properly, or using tape over the mark to see how many times we could use one (record was 21!).

That's not going change EVERYTHING around here, now, is it (me admitting this guy to guy thing)?

I am from CA, you know...

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Poster: cush212 Date: Mar 22, 2010 2:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Was I the only one?

Was there any extra (wink, wink, nod, nod) paper under the stamp???

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 2:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Was I the only one?

Hmmm--do you know how it worked best? Scotch tape under the stamp, then, on top too...peel off the top (that got "post marked") and the underneath helps you remove it and use again...

Is this like a big no-no, like SBD stealing or some such?

I was only 16 officer! "What seems to be the officer, problem?"

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Poster: cush212 Date: Mar 22, 2010 2:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Was I the only one?

No, nothing like that... Just a good way to share samples of LSD... Who cared if the postage stamp still worked!!!

:)

How's things in AZ? Is a good wildflower year? Gray and gloomy here today...

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Poster: high flow Date: Mar 22, 2010 2:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Was I the only one?

"That's MISTER OCCIFER PROBLEM to you son!!! Now hand over the lid, Sparky."

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 3:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Was I the only one?

Hey, so since your friend did it, did you take that as a bad sign, and avoid the lyric-->girl biz, or just never thought about it either? I am starting to get worried I really was doing it too much...

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Poster: high flow Date: Mar 22, 2010 3:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Was I the only one?

What, like Foreigner's Hot Blooded? Nope. Never did that.

REO Speedwagon's "Keep On Lovin' You" would have bombed just like LLR.

Sounds like Leo Sayer's, "All By Myself" may have been your theme. Sorry about that.

Of course LBo hit'em with, "She Blinded Me With Science->Star Wars Theme". So don't feel too badly.

Here's one that might have actually got you past the button-fly....

Side 1: The Lemon Song>The Lemon Song>The Lemon Song>The Lemon Song>The Lemon Song>The Lemon Song>The Lemon Song>The Lemon Song

Side 2: Let's Get It On>Let's Get It On>Let's Get It On>Let's Get It On>Let's Get It On>Let's Get It On>Let's Get It On

This post was modified by high flow on 2010-03-22 22:35:07

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 22, 2010 6:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Was I the only one?

ergggghhhh. You must be from my era ... it was a bad, bad time, musically ...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 3:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Was I the only one?

Oh, you mis-read me dear bball buddy...I was, ahem, "successful" (boy, does that sound bad, good, but smug, eh?), BUT am now worried they were feeling sorry for me or some such...

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Poster: high flow Date: Mar 22, 2010 3:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Was I the only one?

I, ahem, believe you.:)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 4:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Was I the only one?

Thank gawd for that...wait a minute--you mean the "they were feeling sorry for me"? Or, "...was 'successful'..."?

Damn. Well, if I ever have to do it all over again, I am gonna go with some nifty limmericks by Rob instead...

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Poster: cush212 Date: Mar 22, 2010 2:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Was I the only one?

Or was it, Mister Problem Occifer???

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 22, 2010 11:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

I have yet to meet a female who responds well to any song that includes a reference to humping cats.



Note: Edit solely to correct spelling. I tend to be anal that way.
No, Dire, not in THAT way. Sorry.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 22, 2010 11:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

Thankfully, she had a great sense of humor and still remains a good friend (as does her husband):

A tape with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH2ShNpCEOs

Into this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1Y7rEiJ9kE

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 22, 2010 11:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

LOL. Yeah, now that you mention it ...
No wonder whoever she was got out of the bed and won't be back.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 11:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: OK, admit it: who's written down the lyrics for a girl (or boy)?

Oh that's good! That's good...is this the time to admit it? I bet Rob always wrote his own, but I'll fess up: Like most mere mortals in HS, I did it many times! Not to imply I was really successful or anything, but I did send "lyrics" often...

SMags: mult times...(one girl even said to the other "oh...he sent you those TOO!? yeah...he's getting serious then")

Cassad: once or twice...and, though I expected her to start talking ("...words be yours...") she didn't...end of story.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 22, 2010 12:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: OK, admit it: who's written down the lyrics for a girl (or boy)?

maybe the problem there was the reference to her head being all empty? just sayin'.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 12:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: OK, admit it: who's written down the lyrics for a girl (or boy)?

How about Cowgirl in the sand? That one worked wonders...do you really think it is a guy thing?

Come to think of it, I was rarely reciprocated (ie, with another tune), but to be honest, at least with the ones that mattered, the SugMags thing worked out very well, at least from what they told me...they viewed it as "sweet" and sorta "intelligent" even if simply stolen (recall we had to lift the needle off the record repeatedly to get the words back then...). Cowgirl was the best though...maybe cause we all liked NY then?

But, I will admit, looking back 35 yrs, it seems kinda pathetic...

So, this wouldn't have done ANYTHING for you in HS:

Hello cowgirl in the sand
Is this place at your command
Can I stay here for a while
Can I see your sweet sweet smile
Old enough now to change your name
When so many love you is it the same?
It's the woman in you that makes you want to play this game.

Hello ruby in the dust
Has your band begun to rust
After all the sin we've had
I was hopin' that we'd turn bad
Old enough now to change your name
When so many love you is it the same
It's the woman in you that makes you want to play this game.

Hello woman of my dreams
This is not the way it seems
Purple words on a grey background
To be a woman and to be turned down
Old enough now to change your name
When so many love you is it the same
It's the woman in you that makes you want to play this game.

Remember, you're reading it in the hand writing of the guy that noticed you in advanced composition...he's got long hair, plays basketball...wears DEAD shirts. Doesn't smell.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 22, 2010 1:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: OK, admit it: who's written down the lyrics for a girl (or boy)?

LOL! Definitely a guy thing. I just don't think it would occur to girls to reciprocate song lyrics. Maybe a difference in the era too - I think you are a bit older than me (sorry)- I remember cringing over that particular song and at the time, would not have been well romanced with songs implying I was empty headed or playing games to change my name etc. When I *did* get married I did change my name so I know this is not making a lot of sense, but :)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 1:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: OK, admit it: who's written down the lyrics for a girl (or boy)?

I think I am a LOT older...this was early 70s...maybe it really was just era related; I'll ask my kids.

Amazingly, just did: at least for my kids and their friends, THEY do it all the time...now, I know you're saying "well, of course, consider the source...!" but recall, my kids rejected 90% of what they heard from me. Oh, I can add, til RIGHT now, they didn't know I ever did this!? Ah, another family bonding moment...

Interesting.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 22, 2010 1:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: OK, admit it: who's written down the lyrics for a girl (or boy)?

Well, you're not *that* much older (hope I did not offend you), I was in high school in the mid-late '70's and things changed a lot in a few years there. When I was in high school the cool guys did not have long hair and certainly did not wear Dead shirts. College yes, high school no, but I went to a kind of hippy college, with people who weren't much like the people I'd gone to high school with.

As to not smelling? that's a good thing in any era.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 1:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: OK, admit it: who's written down the lyrics for a girl (or boy)?

Ha-well, I went to a catholic school where all trouble makers went...we wore what we wanted...and girls had uniforms (go fig), but, I still think they looked great. My wife included. AH, nostalgia.

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Poster: wineland Date: Mar 22, 2010 1:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: OK, admit it: who's written down the lyrics for a girl (or boy)?

I used to (and sometimes still do) sing lines from SugMags to my wife. Loose Lucy on the other hand might get me a black eye.

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Poster: CharlieMiller Date: Mar 22, 2010 8:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: OK, admit it: who's written down the lyrics for a girl (or boy)?

In 10th Grade (1980) I wrote down the lyrics to Feel Like A Stranger and gave it to a girl, telling her I wrote the song for her.

Yeah, it worked.

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Poster: utopian Date: Mar 22, 2010 8:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: OK, admit it: who's written down the lyrics for a girl (or boy)?

I wrote out most of the lyrics to Stella blue on a card and gave it to a girl to get her back. It worked for another year and she was beyond the most beautiful girl I have ever had the pleasure.

Love that song

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Poster: bbbrew Date: Mar 22, 2010 9:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: OK, admit it: who's written down the lyrics for a girl (or boy)?

Similarly, when I was in 10th grade (1983) I wrote a love letter including the lyrics to Wonderful Tonight, changing blond hair to brown hair, and yes, it worked wonderfully.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 22, 2010 12:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: OK, admit it: who's written down the lyrics for a girl (or boy)?

This is a "guy" thing to do - it would never have occurred to me to give song lyrics to a guy ...

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Poster: mcglone Date: Mar 22, 2010 2:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

flow!

nothing and i mean nothing touches this ladies love cool james flaming fondue...

"I Need Love"

When I'm alone in my room sometimes I stare at the wall
and in the back of my mind I hear my conscience call
Telling me I need a girl who's as sweet as a dove
for the first time in my life, I see I need love
There I was giggling about the games
that I had played with many hearts, and I'm not saying no names
Then the thought occured, tear drops made my eyes burn
as I said to myself look what you've done to her
I can feel it inside, I can't explain how it feels
all I know is that I'll never dish another raw deal
Playing make believe pretending that I'm true
holding in my laugh as I say that I love you
Saying amor kissing you on the ear
whispering I love you and I'll always be here
Although I often reminsce I can't believe that I found
a desire for true love floating around
Inside my soul because my soul is cold
one half of me deserves to be this way till I'm old
But the other half needs affection and joy
and the warmth that is created by a girl and a boy
I need love
I need love

Romance sheer delight how sweet
I gotta find me a girl to make my life complete
You can scratch my back, we'll get cozy and huddle
I'll lay down my jacket so you can walk over a puddle
I'll give you a rose, pull out your chair before we eat
kiss you on the cheek and say ooh girl you're so sweet
It's deja vu whenever I'm with you
I could go on forever telling you what I do
But where you at you're neither here or there
I swear I can't find you anywhere
Damn sure you ain't in my closet, or under my rug
this love search is really making me bug
And if you know who you are why don't you make yourself seen
take the chance with my love and you'll find out what I mean
Fantasy's can run but they can't hide
and when I find you I'm gon' pour all my love inside
I need love
I need love

I wanna kiss you hold you never scold you just love you
suck on you neck, caress you and rub you
Grind moan and never be alone
if you're not standing next to me you're on the phone
Can't you hear it in my voice, I need love bad
I've got money but love's something I've never had
I need your ruby red lips sweet face and all
I love you more than a man who's 10 feet tall
I'd watch the sunrise in your eyes
we're so in love when we hug we become paralyzed
Our bodies explode in ecstasy unreal
you're as soft as a pillow and I'm as hard as steel
It's like a dream land, I can't lie I never been there
maybe this is an experience that me and you can share
Clean and unsoiled yet sweaty and wet
I swear to you this is something that I'll never forget
I need love
I need love

See what I mean I've changed I'm no longer
a play boy on the run I need something that's stronger
Friendship, trust honor respect admiration
this whole experience has been such a revelation
It's taught me love and how to be a real man
to always be considerate and do all I can
Protect you you're my lady and you mean so much
my body tingles all over from the slightest touch
Of your hand and understand I'll be frozen in time
till we meet face to face and you tell me you're mine
If I find you girl I swear I'll be a good man
I'm not gonna leave it in destiny's hands
I can't sit and wait for my princess to arrive
I gotta struggle and fight to keep my dream alive
I'll search the whole world for that special girl
when I finally find you watch our love unfurl
I need love
I need love

Girl, listen to me
When I be sittin in my room all alone, staring at the wall
fantasies, they go through my mind
And I've come to realize that I need true love
and if you wanna give it to me girl make yourself seen
I'll be waiting
I love you

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Poster: high flow Date: Mar 23, 2010 7:21pm
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McGlone!

Yep, I need love. LL melting hearts. Nice call my man!

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Poster: wineland Date: Mar 22, 2010 1:09pm
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I always felt the "street cats making love" line was off the cheeseometer scale. I mean really, all their lyrics are pretty good. Sometimes trippy like ChinaCat, othertimes tender, at times vengeful... but street cat whoopie is too much.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 22, 2010 8:08am
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i dont know if even Adam Lambert could write lyrics that bad.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 8:18am
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I'd like to know just who sorted out what goes on in the mind of a cat, and whether it can be said with confidence, that they just want to make it thru the night...maybe they prefer the night to day? Maybe they'd just as soon the Sun never came up? Maybe they are actually fighting, and maybe the gal cat is just as unhappy about it as she sounds (FYI, 99% of the time, it IS a cat fight...don't ask how I know this...cats, feral, are a huge biological problem).

Just one example of what's wrong with these lyrics...

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Mar 22, 2010 9:25am
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The female cat doesnt give it up unless the males bites the back of her neck and basicaly "rapes" her...so yeah, those lyrics are FAIL.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 22, 2010 8:52am
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I seem to recall bashing those lyrics once and someone here posted that they weren't really about cats but about Pig and Janis and the, umm, sounds they would make. Not sure that helps. Pretty sure it doesn't.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Mar 22, 2010 9:04am
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I think that makes it worse

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 22, 2010 9:05am
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Here was the post that this was discussed.

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=264340

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Poster: utopian Date: Mar 22, 2010 8:44am
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LL rain- haha, reading those lyrics!!!
soooooo sappy. I happen to like the
1-13-80 version

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 22, 2010 8:01am
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I think that post constitutes an offence to public decency. I'll have to ask you to take it down and step away from the keyboard, sir. Step away, now...

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Mar 22, 2010 8:05am
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hahahahah

I just tested my search skills and found a previous post by me concerning said lyrical abomination and the good music that sometimes goes with it:

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=187999

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Mar 22, 2010 12:29pm
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lol, i read the old thread:

"Whenever I seek a show I never say "Let me find a smokin' Looks like Rain"

my thoughts exactly

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:27am
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'Funny how excited such a thread gets people.'

Says the poster chiming in four times in five minutes...
:-)

Totally agree re LLR, by the way - toe-curling embarrassing if anyone walks in the room before you hit skip.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:34am
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Another Saturday Night. A pale imitation which signaled the end of a show.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:46am
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I'm guessing you mean One More Saturday Night, because they didn't (correct me if I'm wrong, please) cover any Cat Stevens tunes.

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Poster: buscameby Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:57am
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I actually think Another Saturday is a Coasters song covered by Cat-lol.( but it could be another MoTown group)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 22, 2010 8:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

Damn. I thought you were supposed to catch a bus, not be caught by one.


(Actually it was Sam Cooke.)

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Poster: buscameby Date: Mar 22, 2010 8:07am
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rob

I actually got hit by a bus who ran a red light while walking across a street, thrown 30ft and walked away relatively unhurt.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 22, 2010 8:19am
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I've heard that tale. But I'd rather you were here to tell it to me twice than the alternative.

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Poster: truckin52073 Date: Mar 22, 2010 8:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

Every time I hear Supplication>Lazy Lightening I want to stick ice picks in my ears. I've tried to "get it" and I just don't.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 9:05am
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Ah! A close match for LLR! And I heard these two in person! Had forgotten...yuck...what is it with Bob and Barlow?

They could morph into the "Paul McCart post beatle meets the DEAD" for song writing and it was just not a pretty combination...

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Poster: utopian Date: Mar 22, 2010 9:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

It's actually lazy > supplication
and the latter has immense room for tasty licks and lots o phil.
Lazy is a little cheesy, I can acknowledge

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 10:32am
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I don't recall it while going, BUT have heard a number of folks mention this aspect (that the playing could be good on these tunes, or one at least, whatever the order was).

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 22, 2010 11:52am
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I just think it's really funny, threads about what songs we DON'T like get so long so quickly, you'd think we don't actually like this band much.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 11:55am
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I think it proves that we are in fact an objective, critical, and highly thoughtful bunch that do not simply put flowers in our ears, ingest or smoke anything handed to us (unless we've done the research), and twirl about to any ol tune that blasts out of the street speakers while dis-robing to boot!

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 22, 2010 12:06pm
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Agreed.

Also, I think that most of us have more than one or two unflattering thoughts about the band/music, but are often reticent to share those thoughts for fear backlash. When someone starts a thread asking us to share those thoughts, and we see other folks doing so, it's like opening up a flood gate. For example, it has recently been discussed here just how many of us find Terrapin rather self-indulgent and boring. Expressing negative opinions and then backing those up with concrete reasons only mean that we are paying attention to the music and not just accepting anything the band/Jerry produced as beyond reproach. I rather think that Jerry would prefer a well-informed critic over a mindless lemming anyday.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 12:43pm
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Did I ever get it for going at with the Terrapin guy...then, it turned out, everyone was "for" me...I was pleasantly surprised, but it was scary there for a while...maybe you guys were just seeing how long I'd last without any help? Then Rob came in, both guns blazing, and I dozed off again...

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Poster: high flow Date: Mar 22, 2010 2:42pm
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I saw Terrapin live in 89 and it was pretty damn good. However, it's not something I seek out when listening to the historic recordings.

And yes, I think we can all point to songs or performances that make us wince.

Like La Bamba 1987-9-18. I like the set, but Jerr belting out Spanish lyrics was not pretty.

Tawk amongst yourselves....

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 22, 2010 3:15pm
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I like that Jerry gave the Spanish a go. Yes he butchered the first set of lyrics but he did okay on the "yo no soy marinero" lyrics and the crowd acknowledged it. Much easier listening to him butcher lyrics in Spanish than what he (and Bob) did to lyrics in English on many occasions.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 10:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Redemption!?

What a thread! Cool, SYWife...

And, it looks like quite a few fessed up to the "lyrics as romantic fodder routine", so I feel much better now...even our own esteemed CMiller...

Thanks one and all, and you too STW.

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Mar 23, 2010 9:23am
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Never hurts to ask.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 3:10pm
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I saw it a couple of times I think, but would have to look it up...since I was going all the time in 77 and 78, assume so, right?

EDIT: whoops, just realized I saw it 8 times...jeezzz.

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Poster: cush212 Date: Mar 22, 2010 2:13pm
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Well Mr. PM... You certainly just took ALL the fun out of it!!!!!!

;)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 2:40pm
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You, kind sir, may twirl and ingest at will; you've paid your dues...I just want the youngsters to understand we don't condone just going around willy nilly or they might get in trouble and say "but the ol guys at the Forum said..."

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Poster: cush212 Date: Mar 22, 2010 2:47pm
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"but the ol guys at the Forum said..." Cush sez it's OK!!!

Edit note: No need to ingest anymore, got plenty of residual traveling with/in me...

:)

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 22, 2010 12:05pm
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I think - and I *have* thought about this :) - that it's a sign of how much we love them ...

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Poster: Ole Uncle John Date: Mar 22, 2010 12:12pm
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Women are Smarter

Hand down, no contest

Absolutely sucky song.

I agree with the sentiment, and it's born out by the fact that no woman wrote this sucky song.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 22, 2010 12:18pm
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Of the female persuasion here, and I like that song. The lyrics aren't brilliant or anything, but it's snappy.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 22, 2010 3:12pm
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Isn't it the same tune as Aiko Aiko? Always sounded that way to me.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 22, 2010 5:57pm
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Hm, maybe it is, never thought about that before. It's not one I feel strongly about; it's just snappy and fun.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 22, 2010 6:08pm
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Nahhh, you ultra maroon, Aiko uses the chords of A and D whereas Women uses D and A.

:-)

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 22, 2010 6:19pm
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not sleeping tonight? Does my family's arrival in your home country have you that troubled? If this is the case then indeed I am the only ultra maroon in this conversation.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Mar 22, 2010 8:10am
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Yes I meant Yet another Saturday Night. It always seemed like predictable punishment for having a day job.

On that last bus WOW, never let 'em tell ya that they're all the same.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Mar 22, 2010 12:46pm
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Not counting cover tunes I would say
1) If the Shoe Fits
2) Believe It or Not

Thought Jerry needed some representation here. That tune is horrible on so many levels. The Phil tune is a disgrace.

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Poster: vapors Date: Mar 22, 2010 3:43pm
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I am coming in late here and I sure don’t want to belittle your opinion, but I feel compelled to state how deeply I disagree with you. For whatever reason, they never quite got it, only performed it a few times and gave up on it. But in my mind it is a beautiful, incredibly rich song that I missed during my break from tour in 88. Believe it or not, a true friend who knew how much I was missing Jerry sent me a tape with this song on it and I cried like a baby – Jerry was speaking right to me and I knew I had to get back on tour before too long. Sentimental fool, yes I am - done time on the upswing and time in defeat. Just had to say something. peace

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Mar 22, 2010 4:04pm
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No worries my man. I totally respect what you have to say. Honestly, there are more folks than I thought that actually dig Believe It or Not. You are not alone. For me, it was a dog from the start. I listened to most of the versions and none get any better. The one from that great Copps Coliseum show is very tough to listen to. I looked at it this way. Tough vocals, the song doesn't flow for me and I always though it was a rip off of Gomorrah musically. As bad as easy answers and Samba are I actually found a version of each that I really like. I couldn't say the same about the 2 I mentioned so I thought I'd go that route.

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Poster: vapors Date: Mar 23, 2010 2:57am
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Well, your logic makes sense, thanks for explaining. I chose not to pick a contender for the thread – and so I probably shouldn’t have jumped on your choice. The song appeals to me on many levels, but not necessarily from the limited recorded versions we have, which are kind of rough, I agree. I found myself originally writing a fairly lengthy response, which was a good exercise putting insights into words, but I’ll save it for another time. I’m sure the Hunter/Garcia song debate will come up again!

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Mar 23, 2010 8:06am
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No worries my man. When I first heard that song I thought everyone would hate it then found out it has tons of fans. When I first came to the forum I assumed Barton hall would be the overwhelming choice for best show of all time, then found out it doesn't make some people's top 20. It never hols to "assume"

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Poster: fireeagle Date: Mar 22, 2010 8:07am
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day job

its much worse than llr

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Poster: The_Tank_Tuba Date: Mar 22, 2010 1:34pm
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What do you call a Grateful Dead concert where Bobby doesn't play El Paso, Mexicali Blues, or Me & My Uncle?

A Jerry Garcia Band show.

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Poster: shorthopper88 Date: Mar 22, 2010 6:37am
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I never cared for Wharf Rat or The Wheel. Maybe I just need to give them another chance.

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:38am
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definitely two of my favorites

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Poster: user unknown Date: Mar 21, 2010 7:45pm
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"Barbed Wire Whipping Party"

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Poster: buscameby Date: Mar 21, 2010 9:13pm
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one of my favs you don't get it!

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Poster: cowboyth24 Date: Mar 22, 2010 1:34pm
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Was that reference to C. C. Rider, don't get it. Most post pig blues attempts just don't shake me up. Definite smoke/bathroom break here. And I love the the Neil Cowgirl in the Sand reference, had more than a few romantic engagements to the tune.Followed by Down by the River, whose lyrics are less than amorous. Oh well, great thread. We're all gonna debate, I mean I personally could listen to versions of Sailor>Saint, Terrapin, Row Jimmy, and Ship all day long. Personally, being the key word. A strange man once said One man's Stella is another mans Althea. (Anonymous)

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Poster: user unknown Date: Mar 22, 2010 9:00am
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Actually, I do get that it was a studio goof. And though it may have been a lot of fun if you were there, I can live without listening over again. It is Grateful Dead's "Revolution #9".

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Poster: cowboyth24 Date: Mar 21, 2010 8:40pm
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Well now, C, C.C. Rider, nuff' said.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Mar 21, 2010 8:13pm
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We Can Run vs. I Will Take You Home. I can't decide. On balance, I'd say that these are worse than anything Bob, Vince or anyone else threw out there. Just my opinion.

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Poster: BVD Date: Mar 22, 2010 12:19pm
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Pig singing Hey Jude...I think in 69...Oh my-Truly a train wreck

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Poster: utopian Date: Mar 21, 2010 8:59pm
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Day job
might as well
don't ease me in
Alabama getaway
tennesee jed
I will take you home
ship of fools
comes a time
high time
we can run
sailor- saint
Picasso moon
Casey jones

liberty (WTF!!) a f-ing travesty to the bands sensibility
last time
wave to the wind
and ALL of those Vince era tunes that I have not subjected myself to in the longest time

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Mar 21, 2010 9:51pm
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whoa whoa whoa wHOa WHOA!

ship of fools? high time??? HIGH TIME???

you listed some others i really like also but those two are absolute GEMS imo.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 21, 2010 10:06pm
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I don't know many of latter era tunes folks have picked, but agree with you on three counts: really like HTime (studio best though, only a few live ones pull it off); like SofFools, though a little out of my era, so not real familiar (but it was around during the time I was going to see them in mid 70s); and you nailed it for the ONE I'd just as soon not have ever heard: LLRain!

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 22, 2010 6:04am
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I don't hate LLR at all. I think the lyrics are a bit sappy but I thought it was cool that Jerry initially picked that tune for steel pedal work and it is one of the tunes that I think benefitted from Donna's presence.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:13am
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Saying it benefitted from Donna, however, is sort of damning with faint praise, no?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:18am
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I realise that chiming in here makes me sound like elbow's little helper, but I definitely prefer the Godchaux era Row Jimmys to the reggae-Rows that came later. Donna's vocals made for a good Row.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:45am
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Don't make me bring it up again...just don't! OK, I will: I actually agree--HOWEVER, just goes to show you can't make some people happy...the RJim tune with Donna on the Wint73 Boxed set was one I trotted out to show my wife (she's a DEFN "Donna hater" believe me), and before it was half way thru, she chimes in "see? I told you this woman CANNOT sing!...she's completely off tune!". I was dumbfounded. Now, in the little woman's defense ("mine"), she was/is a singer, and I am not, and I cannot tell if Donna is "right" or not in RJim, but as always, I know what I like and I liked it...anyhow...I just can't win with Donna around this house...trust, I did NOT win the ensuing argument (I also bring this up to win a few pts with folks round here that think I can't defend Donna now and again...did I?).

I restrict my "donna hating" (notice I used littlecase "d") to the screams in PITB/GSET sorts of activities, and did like her on tunes like RJim or the times in K&D band or with JGB side projects...

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Mar 22, 2010 11:11am
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My musically inclined friends (3 of them) DESPISE Donnajeanne and Phil; by contrast they say Bob and Jerry don't always sound good, but they never sound BAD - at least they are always in the right key.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 11:15am
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Yep, though I love him to death, and with real studio help, he could "fit" in with Bob and Jerry, I think Phil defn isn't one of the "singers"...he sounds good on the harmonies in Work/Beauty, but RARELY does more than just adequate live...

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Mar 22, 2010 11:27am
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I've yet to hear a live Uncle Johns Band where Phil doesn't flat out blow it.

His bass playing is top notch though. Him and Jerry kept the 10+ minute jams interesting imo.

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Poster: GennyBenni Date: Mar 22, 2010 11:15am
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I've found that one surefire way to (seriously) depress myself is to try to get a gal to appreciate some of the weirder/less digestible aspects of the dead's music. I've rarely gotten lucky with it. Not that it's necessarily a gender thing... maybe I just need to date different women?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:52am
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I've been told in no uncertain terms by my perfect-pitch endowed daughter that I can't sing either. (Dad! You're FLAT!) And she has made much the same comment re Donna as Madame Tell ('oh dear, somebody can't sing ...). Such remarks make me mistrust my own ears, but I like what I like, I guess. (And I now restrict my singalong activities to those times when I have the house to myself.)

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Poster: roughyed Date: Mar 22, 2010 11:21am
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You don't sing like a Proclaimer do you?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 22, 2010 11:29am
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Only when the sun shines over Leith.

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Poster: roughyed Date: Mar 22, 2010 11:35am
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...which is more that this place.
I'm always conscious of possibly sounding flat like George Formby!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 8:01am
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Hmmm--damn, my wife might have been right on that one afterall; I guess it's like MS around here telling me about music...in my, and DG's defense, my view was on a harmony, if it just "fits in there" to my ear, how can it really be "off"...she insists there's a right and wrong way to do it though. I pointed out that in the Band, those guys don't sound like CSN&Y, and yet I love the sound, so, are they doing it "wrong"? to which she said, "often"...Anyhow, glad to know of yet another home and Forum situation that binds us old friend!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:43am
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Oh, interesting, I like the reggae-Row's better myself.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:47am
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Well, to be honest, to begin with so did I. My first exposure to a reggae Row was on Dozin' at the Knick (back in the long ago days before the internet spilled its cornucopia at my feet) and I loved it. But further listening bent my ear to hear the tune as performed in the 70s, and I grew to love that instead.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 22, 2010 9:01am
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elbow's little helper? Like that is such a terrible thing?

Actually you are elbow's very consistent little helper because I once posted about Donna's singing on a '76 version of Bertha that i referred to as girl-on-girl action and was looking for other examples and while I pretty much got beat up about the questionable title of the post, you were the only one who came up with another example and it was indeed Donna era Row Jimmy.

Speaking of Looks Like Rain, it appears that is what I should plan on for this week in London.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:13am
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No not at all, unless you hate Donna which I don't.. I think Donna was asked to do things that were not her strength (scream like Janis Joplin in PITB and GSET). Her voice was not strong enough to do that stuff but songs like LLR and TMNS were good fits for her and I think i both cases, the songs were worse once she left.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:17am
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I think she was usually much better with JGB, and listening to some of her gospel numbers I think that was her real calling. Some of those are so nice I'd actually like to hear more of what she did post-Dead. Her voice is lovely, she just shouldn't have been trying to do the shrieking rock star thing. On TMNS, she sometimes made a contribution, or at least managed not to ruin things. On PITB, well, that's a train wreck.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:23am
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Completely agree about JGB and the duets with Maria Muldaur like I'll Be With Thee. As for PITB it is my understanding that the band was looking for some kind of crescendo thing and the band (Jerry) asked her to do that. I actually don't have as much of a problem with it because its short and you can prepare yourself for the shock. I think her worst contribution was to Scarlet Begonias. All that moaning and wailing over the the jamming is just unnecessary. For a particularly heinous example check out the one from this otherwise excellent show. It's so bad it makes me laugh.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd74-05-19.sbd.clugston.6957.sbeok.shnf

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if I want to listen to some woman from the '70s moan over music I'll find a copy of Donna Summer's Love To Love You Baby. However I would rather just listen to this band play some great music.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:44am
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LOL totally agree, and it's not saying anything nice if the best we can say of certain contributions is, "It's ok 'cus you can prepare yourself for the shock" ... will check out the wailing in Scarlet later - I agree that was generally "unnecessary" at best and quite disturbing other times.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:51am
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I can see those aspects being likable; I just can't get past Bob's approach to the song...that's all I hear (and I just mean "vocally"). I just don't think Bob is made for songs like that, if it makes any sense...probably not.

Oh, side note: I cringe at the DG/JJ comparison, though not sure you meant that--did you think of JJ's screams as in any way similar? Do you not like JJ? I do grant she could get tiresome after an hr or two, but I see little similarity between the the two: JJ was made for that kind of singing, while DG, if I may, was made for the stuff in K&D band/JGB efforts if I can be so bold as to pigeon hole Bob, JJ and DG as "singers" all in one thread...

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 22, 2010 8:12am
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No you understood me correctly, I think JJ could effectively sing like what was asked of DG in PITB etc. DG just doesn't have that kind of voice and it was unfortunate that she was asked to do that.

As for Bob's singing on LLR, maybe thats why I like it better as a duet with DG.

In the end, singing wasn't really the strength of the GD. This not to say that they were all bad singers just that it was apparently not their priority. If the vocals mattered that much they would not have let Phil that close to the mic (except for those few weeks in the fall of '70)? I was listening to 6-16-74 yesterday and he was loud and not good. Did I care? Not really. I guess they didn't either.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 8:54am
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Yes, and no on the singing...I think that the Work/Beauty efforts show that with effort, they could do very well, and yes, they had idiosyncratic voices, but meshed well...this is of course, why I prefer the early era cause it goes downhill from there. I would put them in the category of the Band or HWilliams or whomever: great voices, under the right circumstances...now, JBruce, could literally just "sing" (as all those that know singing around here tell me, MBalin was another one). Now, I am not saying in the sense of truly great singers, but in the SF sound, I'd put them (JB, MB) in the top, and the DEAD a good bit under, but only in the studio--way under live most of the time...

Not sure that makes must sense.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 22, 2010 9:18am
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ok - I'm with you on Balin, but you include Jack Bruce as part of the SF sound? What about David LaFlamme of IABD? He has a decent set of pipes I reckon.

Anyway, I agree that the Dead made a supreme (for them) effort to get it right in the studio but I do love the raggedy-ass enthusiasm they could bring to live performance. Listen to them belting it out on Rider for instance, all coming in at fractionally different times, no harmony at all, and somehow it just works exhilaratingly. Absolutely got to be early enough to have Phil in the mix though.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 9:22am
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No, my mistake there: just lumping JB as a 60s example with an inappropriate linkage to the comment about a general "lack" of SF sound "singers"...And, would give a nod at least toward DLFla. too.

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Poster: Grateful Rat Date: Mar 23, 2010 11:51am
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How about Dino Valente of QMS for the SF sound.. He sounded like Johnny Rivers on crack

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Poster: GennyBenni Date: Mar 21, 2010 9:13pm
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whoah - you just listed a bunch of my favorite songs. sailor > saint? high time? comes a time? ship of fools? don't ease me in?

what did your parents do to you?!?!?!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:12am
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Really!!!

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Poster: utopian Date: Mar 21, 2010 9:39pm
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Yea I checked.....they still suck

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Mar 22, 2010 11:14am
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Never Trust A Woman, Good Time Blues, or whatever the fuck that thing is called. A show-stopper, and I mean that in a really bad way.

I Will Take You Home might be a sweet little song, but did not belong in a Grateful Dead 2nd set. Plus I am personally and perpetually pissed off by the lyrics

"Daddy's here and he never will forget you (except when he's nodding out)"
"I will take you home (unless I nod out and forget to)"

And I particularly hated it when they trucked that poor little girl out on stage during this song; I saw that happen twice and was really repulsed both times. Granted five year olds are tough, so it's not that I think they messed her up or anything, but it just seemed too exploitative and manipulative for The Boys. Wrong band for this song, and please leave the kiddies backstage with Mom.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Mar 21, 2010 7:49pm
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Easy Answers? Screw you Bob.
Wave to the Wind? Screw you Phil.
Samba in the Rain? Screw you Vince.

This is too tough to call.

I like Barbed Wire Whipping Party. Just some fun in the studio by the boys. Never released, and certainly never played live. You'd never knew it existed, unless you were looking for it.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Mar 21, 2010 8:07pm
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What about "Keep Your Day Job"???

Is that one the "Screw you" Jerry?

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Mar 21, 2010 8:11pm
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Personally, I can't live without any of the Jerry tunes ;)

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Poster: angular Date: Mar 22, 2010 3:57am
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Hands down......
"I Need A Miracle"

I don't want to see a woman twice Bob's age.

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Poster: GennyBenni Date: Mar 22, 2010 11:09am
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although, it would be a miracle if any woman actually lived that long!

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Poster: buscameby Date: Mar 21, 2010 9:14pm
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Picasso Moon

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Poster: gumby69 Date: Mar 22, 2010 1:03pm
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Holy shit where to start. Sugaree, Birdsong, Franklins Tower, it goes on and on......................... Just Joking it would probably be Looks like Rain or Sunrise.